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Construction of India’s New Elite Engineering Schools Is Behind Schedule

October 25, 2011, 1:58 pm

The campuses of the eight new Indian Institutes of Technology, established in 2008 and 2009, won’t be complete by the 2012 government deadline because of land-acquisition and inflation problems, reports the Hindustan Times. These new elite engineering schools have been functioning in temporary facilities.  The opening of the branches had been criticized as a bad idea because of the severe faculty shortage across India. At the seven older institutes faculty shortages range between 20 and 30 percent.

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  • goxewu

    1. Eastern Michigan University, a state school, is not “like Catholic health services.”

    2. Freedom of religion ends where civil law–applied equally to everybody–begins. If one’s religion says, oh, park wherever you want, even under No Parking signs, you can’t park there and avoid a ticket because you’re practicing your religion. And, obviously, no ritual human sacrifices, no fatwahs, no stoning of women taking in adultery, etc. If you’re a counselor in a state institution, and the law says no discrimination on account of sexual orientation, you can’t practice that discrimination under the guise of “freedom of religion.” I’d suspect that if you work in the student health center, you can’t refuse to give/sell a student a condom because that runs counter to your religious beliefs.

    3. I’m always curious how jffoster, the great linguistic and cultural athropological relativist on these threads, can be so utterly hidebound about homosexuality. He doesn’t quote Scripture, he doesn’t ever reason through his anti-gay sentiments, he just declares. One sometimes suspects–when an educated person keeps saying nothing but “Eewwww!”–a little bit of self-loathing caused by repression.

  • jrger

    drtlegg-
    Your comment is totally inappropriate! And read the article, it says MICHIGAN. Further, to generalize about an entire state is out of line. Don’t comment unless you have something intelligent to contribute.

  • nampman

    All professions have ethical rules for practice. If one disagrees with these rules, one needs not to enter that profession. There is no inherent right to enter whatever profession one wishes.

  • 3224243

    ac·a·dem·ic free·dom (Princeton’s definition):

    The freedom of teachers to express their ideas in school without religious or political or institutional restrictions.

    Characters like Philo A. Hutcheson and organizations like AAUP do more damage to academic freedom with their cries of “wolf” than anyone else. Academic freedom has nothing to do with not being seen/valued as the expert but, instead, has everything to do with an educator’s right to speak about his/her area of expertise without fear of retribution/retaliation. Co-opting the phrase “academic freedom” and using it in every instance of perceived slight no matter how unrelated has diluted what used to be a cherished academic right into something so broad and misunderstood as to be meaningless.

  • bizprof55

    A professor is no longer the “Disseminator”, where she stands up in front of a class and spitballs information to the crowd in front of her. The professor should be more like the “Facilitator”, one who guides, filters and allows discovery for her students, while at the same time teaching students how to critically analyze the barrage of information they find on the Internet. Professors are no longer isolated in ivory towers. We all sit on a level playing field.

  • bookdoctor

    Hmm…sounds a lot like some of the claims made when moveable type was invented and books were mass produced…and when Latin texts were translated into various vernacular languages. Speaking as an academic librarian and historian, I have a lot of doubt about such pessimistic views of the future of academia and the role of professors. Professors are experts because they do research (or at least are supposed to do research), not simply because they know something. Research with verifiable results will continue to define expertise and students will still need to be taught the skills of critical thought as applied to such research. Just because someone can search the web and get a bunch of results does not mean that they can even begin to critically judge those results. Higher education isn’t about learning expertise, but about learning how to think critically and carefully in one’s chosen field and in life in general.

  • haohtt

    Mr. Hutcheson’s article is a good read and provides a useful history of many aspects of higher education. However, I could not help but note the irony as he wrote approvingly of those who would extend the academy beyond the study of (and academic/cleric’s interpretive control of) the Bible. His arguments bring to mind those use to defend that the ability to read and study the Bible should be limited to clerics, as ordinary people reading in their own language and thinking for themselves could come up with different interpretations than the clerics. Similar arguments were put forth against the printing of books for the general populace.

    Mr. Hutcheson’s article makes the correct observation that the Internet gives the “common folk” an advantage over the lengthy process of peer-review, both in speed of dissemination and quantity of materials that can be written. He misses the point that one of the biggest flaw of limiting the creation and dissemination of knowledge to experts has often meant that, in many disciplines, both the writer and peer reviewers were of a similar ideology and that voices of dissent (the heart and sould of academic freedom) were often stifled by an academy (or a few illustrious folks therein) that did not welcome a challenge to their ideology.

    Certainly, the Internet permits a great deal of “unpurified” information to be widely disseminated– information and misinformation residing in the same space. However, I would rather have the option of both MSNBC and FOX than to have an academic with an ideological bent telling me what I cannot watch (or read).

  • kantopet

    I find it interesting that the Internet, information at our finger tips, is something many academics and scholars have dreamed of and hoped for, and here it is. But as with any dream realized, it is imperfect and faces us with problems.

    The first problem (and only one I address here) is that as academics we have always seen ourselves as the gatekeepers of knowledge, holding those keys that would unlock that knowledge for others. Some feel that the Internet has taken those keys away from us. I don’t think so. I think what has really happened is that we have looked down and discovered that the keys we were holding were not the ones we thought they were. They were never given to us to unlock the gate for others, merely to unlock the things behind the gate. And they only really work when we share them with others so they can unlock that information for themselves.

    To put it another way, the role of an academic should be one of critical synthesis and wayfinding, and sharing those skills with others. Rather than standing guard at the gate, we should be handing out maps of what lay beyond for those who want to look around and detailed schematics for people to make their own keys for those who truly want to delve deep.

  • dfaust

    In my opinion the opposite holds true. I believe that “freedom” implies the ability of everyone to challenge and question knowledge. Academic freedom is not for the privileged professor, but rather the pursuit of everyone who desires higher knowledge. The professor who is truly an expert in any field should serve as a guide to those who are ignorant int their particular area of expertise.. Please don’t feel threatened by the fact that knowledge is so readily available, but rather feel challenged by the fact that you can participate and add to the knowledge base in this great discourse occurring on the Internet. Just my humble opinion.

  • bernardjsmith

    I agree with your point in general but I wonder if the expertise that “professors” claim rights to might be better characterized not because they “do research” (although they may) but because they know how to do research that can lead to answers that others find, provisionally, reasonable. This ability, this skill, they then use to model for their students, or to teach their students or to lay claim to expertise in the abstract and so act as the gatekeeper of knowledge. “This” is what counts and “that” is to be dismissed. And it is this last claim that I think is being challenged by the internet and the “crowd”.

  • 11261897

    The Internet’s not the threat; it’s the Yahoos who use it as an authority without critically assessing the source.

  • philostitute

    This entire critique of authority and specialization mirrors J.S. Mill’s criticism of democracy in general. In brief, mob rule is not necessarily enlightened rule. I agree that we are really teaching students how to access, critique, evaluate and incorporate information for the benefit of creative innovation. Even if information is available, not everyone will be adept in usint it to their benefit.

    However, performing an existential evaluation on this group for the purpose of determining how their future will unfold (via learning contracs) seems a bit unwieldy for a number of reasons. Life events intervene, students change and history sometimes brings an event for which their is no quick academic response (deployed students, unemployment, economic crashes). Do academic standards regulate learning so that it can flex in response to changing student demands? If not, why do we have them?

    We also witness big changes in most of our students as they progress through the college experience. My classroom has a mix of individuals at different life stages. If I
    do a good job of creating an open learning community during our classes
    and focus on quality content, then students organically develop as learners
    both individually and socially. In this exchange of experience & knowledge, I also learn about their realities.

  • swagato

    The internet and the increasingly networked world it epitomises is a powerful facilitator for scholarly conversation (to keep matters relevant to academia for the moment). At the same time, it allows for what, to my mind, is excessive democratisation of information. On the one hand, everyone with minimal technical proficiency (and I believe this is a generational function–successive generations feel more and more ‘natural’ about turning to Google for reference, etc.) to gain a decent idea upon any given topic. Pushing this further, it is quite possible for me to know the leading issues upon a topic I knew nothing about half an hour earlier, simply by going to Wikipedia for a general picture. After that I may follow the article’s footnotes or references for a more thorough picture. Finally, I may do Google searches to find out even more information on it.

    The problem with this model is precisely that it allows for a rank amateur to fall into the error of feeling as though they ‘know’ something new. Academia is not general knowledge. As Richard Feynman so brilliantly (and amusingly) showed during an interview, it is a tall order to accurately answer the simple question of how magnets work. The internet is telling us how magnets work. In doing so, it is committing all the errors Feynman avoids. It is not just a question of dispensing information that concerns me, but rather the new model that the internet imprints upon us, and our future generations. Information, historically something to be researched and worked out, has now become a commodity to be accessed by a vast, world-spanning vending machine. The very meaning of scholarship is changing, and not for the better. Today, we already have problems with children curiously asking why they should learn spelling (since spell-check is ubiquitous), why they should learn to write legibly (since they type far more than write in daily life), and why they should acquire a dictionary (since most computer operating systems come with dictionaries, and online dictionaries are everywhere). These are not “damn kids these days” instances, but rather examples of how completely the default mindset has changed across generations. I think this is gravely problematic in its implications for the future of specialised research, critical thought (why bother training in a particular school of thought if all you have to do is go to some aggregator of reviews and sample diverse thoughts?), and academic conversation.

  • kcbrady

    Of course, this assumes there is such a thing as academic freedom now. That’s a dubious proposition. I would also question the notion that academics are society’s experts. Some are, most aren’t.

  • polargrid


    Academic freedom is not for the privileged professor, but rather the pursuit of everyone who desires higher knowledge.”

    The problem is that much of what passes for “higher knowledge” on the internet is bogus, for example political or social opinions masquerading as fact, or discredited assertions that no longer hold water among experts but still have believers among the public –which may not have the skills or tools to differentiate the bogus from the legitimate.

  • polargrid

    Agreed — but remember that not all knowledge can be reduced to equally “valid” political opinions that one can choose from. Since no one person can be an expert in everything, on what basis do you sort through all the information?

  • polargrid


    The purpose of higher ed is no longer to disseminate “expert” information. The best approach to learning at this level would be to help students put the knowledge they are receiving from a variety of sources into a coherent framework.”

    Many of these comments seem to focus on subjective “information” (politics, literary interpretation etc) that one can get off the internet. In engineering and the sciences, the purpose of higher ed is indeed to disseminate expert information, and the internet cannot replace that. One cannot learn to reliably design and construct a bridge, for example, or an electrical network without hands-on guidance from an expert.

  • Guest

    I’m not sure I understand the point these prof’s are making. They think that because information is available publicly that they will become redundant??? That’s like the catholic priests in the middle ages who forbade the commoners from reading the Bible so that they could have control over religion. More FREE knowledge is a good thing. period. I think the real problem is that a lot of the info on the net is crap – unsubstantiated, illogical or just pure gossip and lies.

  • drj50

    “But the notion that professors’ jobs depend, essentially, on society
    viewing them as smarter than everyone else is novel, and likely to be
    more than a little controversial.”

    No, it’s not about being “smarter,” but being better informed about a particular question or area of knowledge. An expert is someone with a high degree of knowledge or skill in a certain area of knowledge (according to both online sources and my hard copy dictionary).

    The idea that professors are “smarter than everyone else” is a different matter. Unfortunately, it is not novel. It is evident when professors sound off (both within and outside the university) about things that they know little about. There sometimes seems to be alarmingly little critical thinking in emails that circulate on my campus and posts here in the Chronicle.

  • swagato

    I think the point was curation. Knowledge is just massive data. Not everyone is equipped with the training or the inherent talent to make sense of it, or to make inferences from that data, or, basically, to do anything with the data. Scholars are not quite priests. Scholars are simply people who work toward specialising in a certain area of focus within broader fields, with the aim of becoming an authority on that topic by virtue of extensive research, experience, etc. Priests on the other hand do not possess such autonomy, do they? In my view, the proliferation of information threatens to mask the nature of inquiry in that it presents information as something readily available, rather than something that needs to be delved into and worked out. To that, of course, we add your point regarding the unstable nature of publicly available information on the internet.

  • Guest

    The analogy is useful because Priests are specialists in the field of God and the Bible and were the gatekeepers. Academics who don’t believe in the spread of information are trying to be gatekeepers. Certainly the degree of complexity of the topic will dictate how much help we need from mentors (like Profs). It’s also amazing how much we can learn online now from YouTube videos, Free courses like MIT OCW, Khan Academy etc. I’m guessing their fears are the competition and the potential layoffs.

  • jbrittholbrook

    Whether the internet is responsible for the erosion of trust in expertise is an interesting question.

    I believe, however, that your article raises a related, but different claim: “The notion that professors’ jobs depend, essentially, on society viewing them as smarter than everyone else is novel, and likely to be more than a little controversial.”

    In some sense, the idea that anyone’s job depends on her expertise is totally uncontroversial. People will continue to go to doctors when they are sick and mechanics when their car needs repairs. But will they continue to go to college if they doubt the expertise of the professors?
    Perhaps not – though this overlooks the fact that people go to college (or university) to become certified as experts of one sort or another themselves.

    Expertise is about more than having information that others do not. It is also about, as your article comes close to suggesting, being PERCEIVED as having knowledge that others lack. The question of an expert’s job security, however, also depends on the perceived NEED for that expertise – and so relevance is also an issue.

    Academic freedom has to be tied to academic responsibility; and the latter ought to include a consideration of whether the expertise academics are “selling” is something that society needs. Otherwise, we will have only ourselves to blame if society no longer “buys” the need for
    academic expertise.

    I discuss these issues in terms of peer review in my chapter in The Oxford Handbook of Interdisciplinarity, published last year.

  • DarthVegan

     i am skeptical of the angle this post takes. the internet is a great tool to open up the doors of academia! i can publish my work online instantly and allow people, whoever they may be, to read my work. instead of crafting myself as an expert or one that holds special knowledge, i seek to share it! and the internet has much more to offer than “crowdsourcing.” we can work to change the publishing industry that stalls timely projects, charges students way too much for books, and keeps our writing in very particular spaces—unreachable by larger populations. if one is worried their position of professorship is threatened by the internet, well then, you got a lot more to worry about…long live open source publishing!  spaces—unreachable by larger populations. if one is worried their position of professorship is threatened by the internet, well then, you got a lot more to worry about…long live open source publishing! 

  • DarthVegan

    “ that doesn’t mean those same people will be able to do anything interesting or actually intelligent with those writers ideas, i.e., meaningfully extending and adapting them to other thinkers or problems. ”

    why do you think that? do people need to be in particular spaces and be surrounded by particular people to be able to synthesize the info? you seem to be not giving much hope to “laymen” // the “un/under-educated” ???

  • phyllis_stein

     I’m all for the democracy of the autodidact, and saying that one has a better chance of delving into Heidegger because one is at Berkeley studying with Herbert Dreyfus doesn’t mean that Jane Doe at some mid-tier school–or learning as an independent scholar who works part-time selling widgets and teaching at a community college–can’t buy the right books and listen to Dreyfus’s podcasts on Being and Time and find ways to make contributions to the scholarship on Heidegger or continental philosophy.  Maybe Jane is really smart and dedicated and will find a way to make sense on her own of texts that have taken Dreyfus himself decades of state subsidized time to master and to be recognized as one of the foremost interpreters of Heidegger.  But you know it is more likely that the Internet will contribute to obfuscation and misconceptions as Jane pursues her quest for deeper understanding of Heidegger.  Many Janes will crash and fail where a few succeed.  And isn’t college all about focusing the intellectual and educational efforts of members of our society so as not to waste time, talent, and lives pursing haphazard courses of study?  

    Is there a suggestion that the university shouldn’t exist as a place that cultivates long projects like Dreyfus’s (and a host of other scholars’ and academics’ ideas that can fuel critical perspectives toward the broader culture)?  The flattening of culture may be inevitable, and it may seem terribly conservative and T.S. Eliotesque to suggest that higher forms of culture be preserved, but we should not be herded into deserting all vestiges of academic privilege in our culture under the misapprehension that the Internet has created a utopian space of pure democratic learning and expertise where now academic freedom is no longer needed and universities can be dismantled.  The elites will likely not be convinced to drop plans to send their progeny to Philips Exeter and Harvard just because the Internet has free online courses at MIT or Stanford.  And why won’t they be convinced?  

    To me the promise of the Internet is great with crowd-sourcing and open source materials, but attacks on tenure and academic freedom seem less aligned with such things than with corporatizing and privatizing forces in society.  Those are decidedly not democratizing forces. The paradox many posters here labor under is that the public funded incubation of free ideas is under attack and the Internet is the proverbial camel’s nose under the tent being used to shut such freedom down in the name of…freedom and democracy.  

  • mbelvadi

    You sit on a level playing field with your students? Really? Then how do you justify getting a paycheck while others on your level playing field are not being paid, but having to pay a huge amount of money to sit there with you?

  • mmcferrin1616

    I have to agree with mbelvadi. While I strive to make my students comfortable enough to express themselves in discussions, a level playing field implies that we are equals in the classroom. If that were the case, what would be the point? I’m not facilitating a book club, but rather teaching a course in literature. Students should respect their professors as authorities, not simply another point of view.

  • http://twitter.com/1913Intel Matthew Wilson

    The internet is both good and bad. The ideas of professors can spread farther, but they will be challenged more. So academic freedom won’t go away, but stupid ideas will be challenged.

    Think of the daily decisions you make as grains of sand falling on a sandpile. The decisions you make are influenced by other people, such as professors. Your decisions in turn influence other people. As the grains of sand fall, the more people can influence each other determines the stickiness of the grains. If the grains are more sticky, then the sandpile gets higher quicker. High sandpiles leads to collapses as too many people follow the same ideas.

    The internet is likely to promote more collapses in all areas as stickiness promotes herding. For example, higher education is now in a bubble and due to collapse because of high costs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andreas-Nettmayer/100002154897707 Andreas Nettmayer

    Professors simply need to teach and demonstrate what is a “good” source of information and what is junk. It’s more obvious in the hard sciences, but even “soft” areas like Woman’s Studies or Sociology have ways of separating a developed, useful theory from a mere opinionated rant. think the abundance of informational available makes the sort of higher order reasoning one learns in higher education all the more valuable. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andreas-Nettmayer/100002154897707 Andreas Nettmayer

    Even softer subjects like philosophy and sociology have methods of connecting reasoned, drawn out theories from mere opinionated rants. The hard sciences have the advantage of falsifiability based on observations, but the useful theories in softer areas of study have methods of logic as well. For example, Occum’s Razor applies to philosophy and theology. The reasoning is far less exact than in engineering, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t reasoning going on.

  • drjeff

    Sometimes, I find that I don’t have a good answer to these “damn kids” questions.  When my daughter asks me why she should own a dictionary, I realize I have no especially good answer: if you’re good at using it (as she is), an online dictionary IS as useful as a paper one.  Just because I LIKE paper dictionaries is not a particularly good reason for advocating for them.  I know people who know Newt Gingrich personally; they like him very well, even if they would never vote for him.

    Note that this discussion seems to be swirling around many more or less related topics: academic freedom, curation, editing, knowledge, community, hierarchy, authority, honesty, power, control, ego, and (occasionally) truth.   Not sure what it means, but it’s worth noticing, I think.

  • drjeff

    > isn’t college all about focusing…
    efforts … so as not to waste time, talent, and
    lives pursing haphazard courses of study?

    I don’t know where you went, or where you teach, but it would be a stretch to characterize my own undergraduate education (at an Ivy League school) as anything but “haphazard.” 

    I basically took whatever courses caught my fancy, and as long as I took the dozen or so required for the major I selected, they were happy to take my money and give me a diploma.

    P.S. For example, the available English courses didn’t really have that much appeal, so I never took one.  (Nor Comp, Eng. Lit, or anything similar, BTW.)

  • drjeff

    Who do you think writes the opinionated rants?  I imagine they also teach, no?  Do you expect them to teach their students to discount their own writings?