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The High-School Picture

September 9, 2010, 10:20 am

Last June, the Center for Evaluation and Education Policy at Indiana University released the findings of the 2009 High School Survey of Student Engagement.  The report appears here.  The lead concern is the high frequency of boredom for the 42,000 9th-12th-graders surveyed. 

—–66 percent of them claimed to be bored every single day in school

—–17 percent claimed to be bored in every single class

—–81 percent of the bored ones attributed their experience to “uninteresting material”

—–42 percent considered the material not relevant

The breakdown of workload echoed their disengagement.

—–50 percent of respondents spent 1 hour or less per week “Reading/studying for class”

—–39 percent spent 1 hour or less per week on written homework

—–54 percent spent 1 hour or less per week “Reading for self”

When asked about the importance of different activities

—–34 percent considered “reading for self” at most “a little”

—–60 percent of them considered studying at most “somewhat important” (9 percent at “Not at all,” 18 percent at “a little”

—–for written homework: 7 percent “Not at all,” 14 percent “a little,” and 33 percent “Somewhat important”

—–meanwhile, “Socializing with Friends Outside of School” came in a 42 percent “Very important” and 18 percent at “Top priority”

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26 Responses to The High-School Picture

goxewu - September 10, 2010 at 1:27 pm

So? This situation is going to be mitigated by having had them all read the Iliad and memorize dates (e.g., 1853 – the Gadsden Purchase) in or by the eighth grade?A few specifics: * Most of the kids with whom I went to (a very socioeconomically varied urban) high schoolhigh aeons ago–especially the ones not taking the college prep curriculum–were bored every single day in school, and about one in six seems right for being bored in every single class.* Four in five being bored because of “uninteresting material” seems about right, too. And in those days, the material was the stuff right in E.D. Hirsch’s wheelhouse.* Four in ten considering “socializing with friends outside of school” (why the title-like caps in the post?) was about right back then, too. T’was in the “Grease Days,” so the socializing was along the malt-shop-and-car-club lines, but the percentage was about the same.In my mother’s day, only about a third of Americans 18-25 possessed a high school diploma. To be in high school after age sixteen–and not to be sweeping up in dad’s store or staying home to help mom run the household–was a privilege, and high-school students acted more like they knew that. When you’re a little kid, your desire to be in school and play by the rules is stronger because almost all the little kids have a sense that school is getting them somewhere, if only to that sophisticated-seeming middle school. In high school today, only seriously college-bound have a sense that high school is getting them somewhere. Hardly any industrial (i.e., shop) or business (i.e., secretarial) curricula because there aren’t many of those kinds of jobs anymore. Teenagers know when they’re being warehoused. And being warehoused is boring.

daddyprof - September 10, 2010 at 3:45 pm

No, no, you have it all wrong, Gox. Back in the 80s we never cared about socializing, it was all about hitting the books, man. We had to beat the Soviets. And now look what’s happened: because of social networking, things is gettin’ all crazy again. Much of the time, I think MB’s blog ought to be retitled, “Oh, these %@&* kids today!” Spot on, esp. about warehousing. They know it and hate it when they see it.

markbauerlein - September 11, 2010 at 10:07 pm

If you would like solid data comparisons between high school students circa 2009 and from the 70s and 80s, take a look at The American Freshman reports (going back to the mid-60s). Look at trends in leisure reading, reasons for going to school, etc.As for “being in high school after age sixteen” being “a privilege,” while in 1900 only around one in nine high school age kids did attend high school, by the 1930s, 51 percent of high school age kids attended.

goxewu - September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am

Took a look at what I could access of The American Freshman reports. Lots of warnings, a la NFL games on view in sports bars, about what one can and cannot legally do with the data. Accompanied by insufferable PowerPoint slides, the attempted concretization by wonks with zero percent imagination and the visceral human empathy of salamnaders shuffling their insufferable survey results. They probably think Anna Karenina is meaningless because it doesn’t contain a survey of upper-class Russian women’s attitudes about adultery. Housed at some heartland flatland featureless university where they still listen to Prairie Home Companion, I could understand. But UCLA, on the Pacific Rim, on the hip side of L.A., where life looks to the future and contains other things than doughy semesters? Yeesh. But I digress.Couldn’t find a stat about “leisure reading,” and so would appreciate Prof. Bauerelin’s ending the suspense. Presume LR went down. But does reading e-mails and blog-hopping count as LR, or is LR exclusively ink-on-paper “complex texts,” perferably between tooled leather hardcovers?As to “reasons for going to school,” there didn’t seem to be much of a change. Making more money crept up closer to “learning things that interest me” (now there’s an elastic category! maybe those things interested freshman because they seemed instrumental to making more money) as numero uno. And MM$ should be right in Prof. Bauerlein’s libertarian sweet spot. Isn’t making as much money as one possibly can and doing with it exactly what one wants without Big Government restricting its use or taking more than a token in taxes the bedrock of libertarianism? Finalement, exactly how long did that 51 percent of 1930s students attend high school? What percentage attended only up to age 16, the common age to be able to leave school to work, and then left?

markbauerlein - September 13, 2010 at 1:47 pm

Here’s on piece from the American Freshman Survey:In 1990, 31 percent said they were “frequently bored in class.” In 2007, the rate was 41 percent.

goxewu - September 13, 2010 at 3:12 pm

At last, at last, at last! A rebuttal stat! Prof. Bauerlein must be over the moon to have located one.But…uh, does that ten percent rise in seventeen years meana) More students are bored because they’re not teaching that really galvanizing “domain knowledge” anymore and they’re at sea in class not having read the Iliad in the eighth grade?b) Students are reading too much from a screen and not enough from printed paper pages?c) Students who know they’re not going on to college and that there are no good jobs for somebody with only a high-school diploma in this free-trade, globalized country, also know that they’re being warehoused and sullenly resent it?d) Reality shows, video games, and other entertainment produced by our lowest-common-denominator commercial culture await at the 3 o’clock bell?e) Teaching-to-the-test has taken all the fun and charm out of high school?f) Teachers unions’ obstructing getting rid of bad teachers is at the bottom of it all?At the risk of getting a little ad hominem, this and the subsequent “hiring” post are a tad lazy. Trolling for stats, and excerpting them without at least a few paragraphs of prose opining about what they mean don’t contribute much to the discussion. Prof. Bauerlein’s respondents are doing too much of the heavy lifting. And the “hiring” post is outright duplicated by the CHE itself in a news story. C’mon.

bscmath78 - September 13, 2010 at 4:39 pm

High school enrollment rose in the 30′s due to the Depression and the New Deal. Children lost jobs due to the Depression and enforcement of child labor laws such as elements of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. Children were forced out so that adults could work.

bscmath78 - September 13, 2010 at 5:11 pm

The LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) strategy is a cause for boredom for some above the median. The pace of teaching is so slow and so repetitive. This was true in a middle-class elementary school in the 60′s and a middle-class, academic, high school in the 70′s. I am guessing that things are worse now in most schools. I realized at one point that in my grade we were adding 2 numbers together, while the next grade they were learning to add 3 numbers and I thought that was ridiculously slow. I think I was bored in high school every day. Fortunately, in some high school subjects, the teacher would let the good students do what they wanted (as long as we were quiet) while spending the other 40 minutes with the rest of the class.In one class, I remember reading the textbook, when I got bored, instead of listening to the teacher.Other teachers would help us prep for academic contests or let us out of class to work on equipment to demonstrate famous experiments. So there was an attempt to help the good students do more productive things.I remember regularly yawning, watching the clock and thinking “when will this end” in high school German class. I can’t remember why. Maybe I didn’t like Max Frisch? And yet, I did get the prize for being the best student. And I did learn the word “ausgezeichnet”, because it appeared on some of my test papers.

bscmath78 - September 13, 2010 at 5:36 pm

Maybe the kids who took Latin had more fun?They would celebrate the Feast of Lupercalia. I can’t remember if they celebrated Saturnalia, maybe they kept that secret.Some of them were learning Greek during lunch hour. They also had a kit which contained an ostracon. None claimed to be reading the Iliad. On the troop ships heading for Gallipoli some officers were reading the Iliad.

bscmath78 - September 14, 2010 at 1:19 pm

In post 8, when I was writing about adding numbers, I was writing about doing it using your mind, not a calculator, not an adding machine, not a computer. We did arithmetic with our minds, pencil (later pen)and paper. We memorized the “times” table. We used bottle caps to understand the decimal system. Later we had elements of the infamous “New Math”, but I think that was something like 5th or 6th grade. We learned superficially: Venn Diagrams and things like the Associative, Commutative and Distributive Laws.Just providing a little context, since today caculation is so much easier with calculators, computers and spreadsheets.

bscmath78 - September 14, 2010 at 2:25 pm

It would be interesting to see the extent to which boredom and engagement is affected by such things as: streaming, tracking, enrichment, grade skipping and other academic acceleration options. The great thing about grade skipping is that saves money and stops wasting the child’s time sooner. I thought grade skipping reduced my boredom. Grade skipping was done for a subset of the class with the parents having a veto on whether the child skipped.Sadly, there was nothing like the Bronx High School of Science, in my public school district (or maybe they didn’t tell me because I wasn’t good enough). It would interesting to see the extent, if any, of the Big-fish-little-pond effect on longer term performance.Market Segmentation, Product Segmentation, easily available, accurate information and freedom of choice are key elements to reducing boredom and increasing engagement. Accurately Segment: students, parents, schools, teachers, subjects etc. then make your choices based on your priorities and trade-offs.Accurate segmentation would also enable better education policy debates, since discussions get confused and diffused by considering the aggregate instead of individual segments.At least “The Dumbest Generation” indicated early on that it was about the average and not the striver student. The book did not convinced that the “average” is much dumber than 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago. I was convinced that on average they waste time, money and opportunity, in a more extravagant and spectacular fashion. But I wonder if this just a “good old days” symptom.

bscmath78 - September 14, 2010 at 3:29 pm

@ goxewu, post 6(a) “…not having read the Iliad in the eighth grade?”. I don’t know about 8th graders, but Michael Wood’s 1985 documentary TV mini-series “In Search of the Trojan War” would probably be good, for a series of history class, for certain student segments. As an adult, I greatly enjoyed the sensationalist cinematic techniques, with stirring music, spectacular lighting and exciting voice-overs as we see the ancient artefacts. Especially good was Schliemann’s discovery of the “Death Mask of Agamemnon” and then the discussion that it really isn’t Agamemnon’s. A major theme of the series was that each set of scientists interpreted their findings in the context of their society or their beliefs. The result was different interpretations. This is a very important lesson for children. The series also nicely illustrates that repeatedly, throughout history; the vast majority of academics (before the recent past) have been wrong and have slowed the expansion of knowledge. I never read the Iliad, but as a child I learned that the businessman Schliemann ignored the all the profs, who all said there was no Troy. They said it was a myth. Schliemann ignored the profs and paid attention to Homer. The result was a string of spectacular finds. Ptolemy, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, Einstein and maybe soon a postdoc working in obscurity somewhere, illustrate in physics how often the non-prof has been needed to overturn the orthodoxy of the profs. It also illustrates again, that nearly all profs have been wrong, before the recent past. Children need to know that they could be the next to overturn the orthodoxy, the paradigm or stagnation.The Trojan War story provides the non-physical science student segments with their own set of examples. There might be better examples, but this is the one that comes to mind.Plus, everyone gets to study how the TV series manipulates the emotions, expectations and thoughts of the viewer. This is a useful skill.It probably isn’t for everyone, but it is probably great for some segments.

bscmath78 - September 14, 2010 at 3:59 pm

In post 12, I had Newton in my list, since he is part of the sequence of key events. I didn’t intend to imply that he wasn’t a prof, he was. His students didn’t like him. It is said he spoke to empty classrooms. He is believed to have been secretly a heretic (at least from an Anglican standpoint). He seems to have neglected professorial responsibilities to be an MP, be warden of the Royal Mint and work on alchemy and religion. One might see him as a poster-boy for the abolition of tenure, the abolition of academic freedom, the need for ubiquitous surveillance, reporting, tracking and micromanagement. But he was protected by patronage, politics, power, money and the fact he was a research superstar, a supernova, during a time when English universities did little of scientific value.

bscmath78 - September 15, 2010 at 9:17 am

In post 12, I have Einstein in my list. He was eventually a professor, but originally he was a Swiss patent clerk, a job he got through a friend. He was still a clerk when he published his famous journal papers in 1905. These papers included Special Relativity. He continued to be a clerk for a few years afterwards. Eventually he became a professor. When he became famous enough, he could avoid most university teaching. He published General Relativity while he was a professor.Based on my examples in post 10, I reduce my premise to physics and parts of archaeology/history, leaving open the question of whether the premise is true for other fields. Kuhn, Popper, their followers and detractors, probably have had something to say about the topic.

bscmath78 - September 15, 2010 at 9:53 am

Last night, Colbert did a bit, that was based on a 1964 cultural artefact. I was somewhat surprised that his audience was laughing at the specific allusions. I was surprised that they would risk this bit, since I assumed a college crowd viewing skew and therefore little knowledge of a 1964 artefact. It all seemed to require pretty good recall of detail and an understanding of this old (pre-Twitter) artefact and its context. Maybe, not so dumb after all? If you have to Google the joke, it’s not funny. And what would you Google or search in Wikipedia? Real-time? Today you can Google and get at least some of it and then lookup in Wikipedia (or other sources), but how funny is it then?Does that mean I have the audience wrong? Have I under-estimated the college crowd? Or is this another illustration of segmentation nicely matching market to product?Appreciation of the artefact is enhanced by understanding the links to: von Braun, Kahn, Teller, MAD, RAND, LeMay, Vera Lynn, Groeteschele, a pair of words in German, etc. I wonder how many made those links (then? last night?)?

markbauerlein - September 15, 2010 at 11:51 am

Agreed, bcmath, that kids aren’t “dumber” these days–not at all. Instead, they are devoting more attention to dumb things (texting . . .).

goxewu - September 15, 2010 at 5:29 pm

If kids aren’t “dumber” these days, but just devoting themselves to “dumb things”,* does that meana) “Dumb” is purely a function of IQ or similar measurement and has nothing to do with functioning in the real world?b) Doing “dumb things” doesn’t make one “dumber”?c) If kids were devoting themselves to “smart things,” they wouldn’t get any “smarter”?d) “Dumb” is purely a function of the amount of “domain knowledge” a kid has, and the only reason that doing “dumb things” makes a kid “dumber” is simply because it takes up the time that could be better used aquiring “domain knowledge”?e) A book called “The Dumbest Generation” is a literary fraud on the scale of James Frey’s “A Million Little Pieces”?* I can remember a couple of instances of transatlantic cables being sent by adults in my family. Getting what was essential to be said into the fewest number of words and characters was of such importance in regard to cost, that the whole family was gathered ’round to help make the message as brief as possible. Texting or Tweeting, anyone?

bscmath78 - September 16, 2010 at 2:03 pm

@goxewu, post 17, regarding your footnote (I am not defending the book). I remember when a telegram was a herald of death. I only remember telegrams being sent to my family to provide notifications of deaths in the family. In movies, I remember the telegrams delivering the news of death in war, to families. The Zimmermann Telegram, the Pearl Harbor related telegrams (“Tora! Tora! Tora!”) and the stock ticker in 1929, sent the messages of war, death and loss. Telegraphese, cablese: the language of diplomats, soldiers and tycoons. The cleverest of this genre was the one word telegram “Peccavi”.Telegrams were traditionally expensive and about very serious things. Whereas, texting and tweeting are stereotyped as being about the trivial and the superficial. I find a major part of the humor in Roland Burton Hedley, III’s tweets is the transference of the character’s cartoon superficialty, to a new medium.You don’t expect tweets with: “Sturm and Drang”, “Drang nach Osten”, Zen koan, “Ich bin ein Berliner” or haiku.I am I displaying “domain knowledge” in my words above? If so, it shows that at least some “domain knowledge” is probably a hindrance in “functioning in the real world”. It is “dumb” to let most people know that you know or care about these things.

bscmath78 - September 16, 2010 at 2:20 pm

I seem to be repeatedly displaying my poor: spelling, grammar, sentence structure and proof-reading. I meant, in post 18, to write:’Am I displaying “domain knowledge” in my words above?’ I leave all my other errors uncorrected. I hope that my signal to noise ratio has been sufficient, to be understood, even though I would probably fail Freshman Comp (which I never took).

bscmath78 - September 16, 2010 at 3:04 pm

@goxewu, post 17, point e, this time, a mild defense of the book. I support your raising your various points, since they help clarify my own thinking. I think discussion is productive. I am interested in the responses.The title communicated to me, personally, that it was likely to be: polemic, sarcastic, mocking, exaggerated, sensationalist, parodic and/or selective in its use of evidence. It seemed like it would be another entry in the battle over education, technology and kids.I would have guessed less than 1% of the population cares enough about these issues to actually read just one book of those in this contest. Not an Oprah book. It is currently ranked 35,008 at Amazon.com (but it is possible that its target audience doesn’t use Amazon (nasty digital technology ;-) )). I feel it doesn’t meet the “scale” requirement.It looked like a counter-balance to books (and parents), who seek to proclaim that: technology, kids or kids with technology are wonderful. In general, all these types of books tend to be selective in their use of evidence and sometimes use suspect logic. I expect: sophistry, bias, error and deception in all books that seek to modify or sustain policy.I didn’t think of it as “literary”. I don’t think of it as a “fraud”, especially since it specifically excludes the striver kids.

bscmath78 - September 16, 2010 at 3:35 pm

Amazon now has it ranked 23,789. So the ranking seems quite fluid.

bscmath78 - September 16, 2010 at 5:15 pm

I meant, in post 18: “Sturm und Drang”.Ich habe alles vergessen! It isn’t literally true. It is self-contradictory, but it does try to communicate frustration with loss. I might use it as a book title or chapter heading without meaning to deceive.Ich spreche nur ein bisschen Deutsch.This is closer to the truth.

markbauerlein - September 17, 2010 at 6:00 am

The phrase “The Dumbest Generation” is taken from Philip Roth, bscmath, and echoes Tom Brokaw, and the sub-subtitle is a take-off from the Sixties (which I’ve had to explain to several young interviewers). The cloth went through four printings and the paperback is now in its seventh printing. And your point about the cost of sending a telegram gets right to the heart of the difference from texting.

bscmath78 - September 17, 2010 at 1:30 pm

Professor Bauerlein, thanks for your response.I wrote that I expected that it would be: “…sarcastic, mocking, exaggerated, sensationalist, parodic…”, exactly because I thought “Dumbest” was a parody of Brokaw’s title and the subtitle contained a parody of “Don’t Trust Anyone Over 30″ (a line which I most enjoyed when Charlton Heston delivered it in the 1968 “Planet of the Apes” (at least the generations so far have succeeded in avoiding nuclear destruction)). I must admit, I thought I had exactly the expectations that you hoped to set with such a title/subtitle, which also includes “How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future”. This is further reinforced by my learning, through you, of the direct Roth quotation (which might have been in the book, but my memory of it has faded, was Roth quoted in the book?). Was I mistaken? What was your intention? Sadly, I am ignorant of Roth’s work since my high school reading of his Kafka tribute: “The Breast”. The information about the number of printings doesn’t tell me if you have exceeded the 1% mark of the US population. It doesn’t tell me if it totals the volume of an Oprah book or reached Frey. Each printing, could be of say 5,000 books or 100,000. It does suggest that it has had at least moderate and sustained sales success and may have been read by more people than 90% (99%? 99.9%?) of the books written by professors.The low cost of texting does not preclude its use for the transmission of an appropriate: koan, haiku, aphorism, epigram or quotation. Whether new, original or parody, the tweet is not forced to be trivial. For all I know, 0.0001% of tweets might be up there with “Those who can, do, those who can’t, teach” (a line I loved in high school, without knowing that Shaw was the source). My advice, unlike Heston’s, is don’t trust anyone’s book, regardless of age, who is trying to sell you an idea, and who isn’t?

bscmath78 - September 18, 2010 at 11:49 am

Professor Bauerlein, relating to Roth references in posts 23 and 24: Roth…Roth…Roth: I would guess that this might bring to mind, among a more literate older generation, the image of a kid violating his family’s raw liver and even more disgusting its subsequent usage (I omit the specifics to spare my own mind). So a Roth reference, even more strongly supports, the expectations (“sarcastic…”) that I would have from reading just your title/subtitle.Conceptually, Roth’s 1972, “The Breast”, was more appealing, in high school, despite its decentered problematization, of the objectification, of the transgendered Other (maybe I could get Sokal to get it published in a top journal). So I read it and not the other. Others might think of Roth’s character’s appetites and issues, ones not typically discussed in the polite society of 1969.Did this produce a generation of liver abusers that staffed the schools, colleges and universities? Roth later on had more to write about certain professorial proclivities. Maybe all our problems are due to the Raw Liver Generation? It reminds one that today’s kids wasting their time fingering keyboards and keypads, is much better than many alternatives.Did you consider the nice snappy and allusive alternative title of “Bauerlein’s Complaint”? But how many would get the joke? And would they say “There’s a pill for that”? Or would they be disappointed with the lack of raw liver content in the actual text?BTW, I had forgotten that the hero of “The Breast” is a literature professor! How dumb of me! I should have remembered that no other type of adult is supposed to know or care about Kafka. The shame of it all! ;-)

bscmath78 - September 18, 2010 at 12:42 pm

In post 25, I should have positioned “Roth later on had more to write about certain professorial proclivities.” so that it referred to “The Breast”. Those interested in the Roth-Prof nexus, might start with the “The Gnomes of Academe: Philip Roth and the University” by Eric Solomon. It is part of the 1989 collection, “The American Writer and the University”, edited by Ben Siegel. Its discussion of “The Breast” shows just how superficial and ignorant a reader I was in high school.

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