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This Will Be The Second Year In A Row….

November 29, 2011, 4:16 pm

We thought that the demise of law school was as likely as this.

…that I have had no requests for law or business school recommendations.  Zero. Between graduates who had taken a year or so off and students heading right into the chute, I used to average between 5 and 10 law and biz recs every fall.  Also popular for a while were public health degrees, master’s in social work and master’s in urban design programs.  But I have had no requests for those either. Applications for the Ph.D. have pretty much petered out, although interestingly, these are the only requests for recommendations I have received since spring 2009. Last year I had two grads go off immediately to American Studies programs, and I am starting to send off recommendations for another prospective Ph.D. candidate now. I have had only two requests for any graduate program at all this fall.

This strikes me as a tremendous change.  Annie Lowrey at Slate reported last March that law school apps had dropped steadily since 2001. There was a little uptick between 2007 and 2009 as some college grads decided to ride out the bad job market by staying in school, but the numbers dropped an average of  11.5% again last year.  At LSU, it was a 13% drop, but those who did apply were slightly better students. University of Pennsylvania dropped 12.7%. Yale and Duke got hit 16.5% and 20%, respectively.

It looks like things could be even worse this year.  Nathan Koppel, at WSJ’s Law Blog reports a whopping decline of 18.7% in those who took the LSAT over the summer, although we would also like to note that fewer applications doesn’t mean fewer lawyers. Those entering classes in 2012 will be full and, as one assistant dean of admissions said, they will be a “more focused” cohort.  According to Koppel, the group who may be opting out of law school are those who went in the past because…. becuzzz… be..cuh….uh ….zzzzzzzzzz….they couldn’t decide what to do. Law school promised a comfortable, if perhaps dull, career that average and better than average students could choose.  Koppel writes,

We spoke to Wendy Margolis, a spokeswoman for the Law School Admission Council. The recent LSAT data, she said, suggests that law school applications likely will continue to decline in the near term. “I think until good press gets out there about the job situation for lawyers, this decline will likely continue.” But she concurs with the view of some law school admissions officers that the caliber of applicants has changed. “People who aren’t as Gung-ho about law school are dropping out of the application pool,” she said. “They aren’t just doing it, because they can’t figure out what else to do.”

That latter group would characterize many of the would-be attorneys we sent to law school from Zenith:  they were nice kids who were sure that three more years of school would inspire them in a way the last four had not.  If inspiration didn’t strike, the law would feed them until it did.  Oh, and there were a few who really chose the law. There was my honors student who is now in his second hitch at the DOJ (he left briefly during Bush II) and spends his time kicking fraudulent mortgage lending a$$;  the guy who became an amazing criminal defense attorney and specializes in death row defense and the young woman who won a free ride to Columbia, clerked for Sonia Sotomayor, and now does labor law. There are probably a few more that I am forgetting.

But the vast majority of students I recommended for law school just wanted to make a living, no more and no less.  Now that it looks like the law is not, as many of the above articles point out, “a sure thing,” and will saddle them with even more debt, they are walking away.  But to where, I wonder?

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  • flaviafescue

    I have a different student population and have never written many law school (and zero business school) recommendations, but I’m astonished by the number of recs I’m writing for MLS programs these days. The number of recs I write for literature M.A. programs has held steady (lots of those), and so has the number of Ph.D. recs (only about one a year), but there’s been a real boom in MLS programs, especially among our smartest English majors and recent M.A. students.

    I used to think this was a good thing — hooray cool careers for humanities majors! you CAN TOO do something with an English degree that isn’t teaching! — but given the bugetary cutbacks in library services nationwide, I now wonder whether my students are clambering on this bandwagon after the bottom has already fallen out (to mix my metaphors).

    • walkerst

      I’m a librarian myself, and now a senior administrator as well.  I’ve been working in libraries since I was 16, and I’m 46; I’ve been writing recommendations for people for MLS programs since about 1997, when I started running my first library.  For the first time, in about the last 2 years, I am NOT recommending that people with English degrees apply to library school, or if they do so, they’d better find a way to set themselves well apart from the pack.  And yes, I have a couple of English degrees myself, and loved doing them.  Why?  Because practically every application I get now, even for positions where I clearly state – in bold sometimes – that a degree in the sciences or business is also an absolute deal-breaker requirement (because of our particular bylaws), I get applications only from people with English degrees.  Huh?  It seems that almost everyone who goes to library school has a degree in English, History, or perhaps Anthropology.  People with backgrounds in the sciences, business, or just about anything else are as rare as hen’s teeth – so it’s dead-easy to fill any generalist position, but near impossible to fill anything requiring unusual qualifications.  The only person I’ve recommended for library school in the last 2 years had a degree in Math, was finishing a Masters in the same, and had a lot of web design and other technology experience.  I’m not saying you shouldn’t try library school if you have a humanities degree – that would be hypocritical of me, since I did the same, though oddly, what got me a job in a very bad market was a few years as an undergraduate Computer Science & Math major and a good deal of programming and database design experience, and not my library science or English degrees.  What I’m telling the prospective librarians is that the job market out there is pretty tough, and be prepared to have a very hard time finding work.  If you land work, it can be a terrific career – but it’s not easy out there, and I don’t see it improving any time soon, except in a few non-traditional areas. 

      • flaviafescue

        Thanks for this; this was my fear. I have a few college friends (in their mid-30s) who have library jobs — one is now the director of a public library, another a research librarian at a local university — and they easily found jobs around the turn of the millenium. So that influenced my belief that this was a growing field. But times seem to have changed since then.

  • Guest

    What’s been exciting for me is that I was given the opportunity to teach a new English MA capstone course designed to professionalize grad students broadly. We covered applying to law schools, PhDs, publishing, editing, consulting, entertainment. One positive outcome of the current economic depression is that post-BA programs have evolved for the better and we are thinking outside of the usual old boxes. Law school admissions trends reflect those positive changes.

    • physioprof

      Dude, how the fucke do you justify to yourself commenting regularly on other people’s blogges, while disallowing commenting on your own? Or do you just not give a fucke that you are a total hypocrite? For fucke’s sake, man, you even link to the fucker! Have you no shame?

  • nyhist

    I still am getting law school requests but they are from past, not current students–ie from those who have been out a year or two. don’t know what that means.

    • poliscigal

      More and more law schools are requiring, or very, very strongly suggesting, that incoming students have at least one year of work experience after undergrad.  I’d guess that’s why you are seeing the change.

  • lexalexander

    May I just say how glad I am that someone is finally “kicking fraudulent mortgage lending a$$” at Justice? I just hope all the statutes of limitations haven’t expired.

    • tenured_radical

      I am particularly proud of this student, whose honors thesis was about the crucial role the New Deal played in the segregation of public housing in the north, and he has been working for housing justice ever since. 

  • bossylittlething

    Interestng post, TR.  I hadn’t thought about this until I read the post, but it’s true that I haven’t written any letters for law school applications for the past two years.  This year I have been writing letters for teaching K-12 programs, social work programs, library schools, and preservation history.  It occurs to me too that these are all public service types of programs — unlike business school or law school.  Most of the letters I wrote were for students who were already doing community service internships.  All very impressive…      

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