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Even More Annals of the Great Depression: A Job Market Carnival

November 27, 2011, 11:29 am

It’s the last day of Thanksgiving break, which means the job season (for what it is worth) is about to go into high gear. Longtime Readers of the Radical will recall that one of my early posting categories was the job market (tag lines also include “the job fairy,” “the job fairy is not smiling” and “the job fairy is smiling.”) When I began this blog, it is quite possible that I had served on and/or chaired more searches than almost anyone my age. Beginning with “These Things I Know:  Applying for Tenure Track Jobs,” (October 3 2007) I joined a blogging community that tried to both acknowledge how peculiar and oppressive academic job hunting is and also give job seekers advice based on what we had seen and done.  “Dream A Little Dream Of Me: Six Easy Steps to Writing a Great Job Letter,” (August 12 2008) addressed that first impression; and “Receiving the Call:  What To Do When Scheduling a Conference Interview” (December 7 2008) helped the applicant think about a brief, but crucial, exchange with someone she has never met who may have no social skills and/or experience making such a call.  “A Chorus Line:  Preparing for the Preliminary Interview,” (December 6 2007) was a post intended to help candidates get ready for the hotel room (see also “Grand Hotel: the AHA Conference Interview Redux,” December 30 2008.)

Now that is the world as it was before the collapse of the boom economy. “More Annals of the Great Depression: Whither the Conference Interview?” (July 27 2009) suggests that one feature of university budget cutting might be eliminating the $10K or so that it costs to send between 3 and 5 committee members to a conference to interview folks. Robert B. Townsend, of the AHA, posted a vigorous rebuttal and defense of the conference interview here. In “The Job Market Is A Lot Like The PBS NewsHour, And Other Advice For Skype Interviews,” (November 28 2010) I address the ways in which technology has allowed the interview process to become cheaper and more fluid for universities during a “temporary” recession that may actually be a reset.  Oh sure, people did telephone interviews prior to Skype, but they tended to be awkward and uncomfortable for committee members and candidates alike.  Practically every job candidate I know has been interviewed by Skype this year, allowing several schools to bring in finalists to campus prior to the AHA Annual Meeting in January, which until recently had been the canonical time to see semi-finalists. How does this change in practice work for the candidates?  By now many people have never done it any other way, and reports from some of the young people I talk to suggest that Skyping can be just as pleasant, or untogether, as the old system of meeting in person and perching on a hotel bed.  We are not surprised to hear that there are senior faculty, many of whom still think that computers are animated typewriters, have not thought seriously about how virtual interviewing might produce new difficulties as well as advantages. That said, the mix of technology and meat world interviews means that a candidate on the market may still have to decide whether to undertake the expense of traveling to the AHA for a single meeting with a search committee.

So some things are still exactly the same as they have always been.  A timeless how-to, from my perspective, is “Tell Us About Your Dissertation: And Other Commonly Fumbled Interview Questions” (December 27 2010.) Search committees, many of which are made up of faculty who have never been on one — or have done it perhaps once before — got some attention in “Eenie, Meenie, Miny, Moe:  Or How To Evaluate the Candidate Pool” (September 13 2008) and “Ask the Radical: Search Committee Smackdown, Part Eleventy” (March 21 2011.)  “Sticky Wiki” (February 17 2008) introduced my skepticism about the Academic Job Wiki, for which I was given an earful by both job seekers and a few politically radical colleagues who see the wiki as an arena for agency and resistance. The notion that leaving a few wildly rude and anonymous paragraphs on line are the seeds of a labor revolution still causes my eyes to roll wildly in my head and have uncharacteristic empathy for New York intellectuals who walked away from socialism in the 1970s because they were so sick of being lectured about ideology as the city crumbled around them. If you click the link above, you will see that the wiki is a lot tamer than it used to be.  I have been told by several job seekers that they now view the wiki as a source for (sometimes deliberate) disinformation and angst-y arguments that do not necessarily promote good coping strategies.

I would highly recommend, however, that anyone bringing candidates to campus this year (or anyone who likes to watch traffic accidents) read the page of “Universities to Fear” (one extended set of postings, I am sorry to say, is about Zenith.)  Here’s a taste, chosen from a number of other posts:

  • “At the dinner, this same SC member rudely took jabs at me for being from the midwest, and kept trying to get me to admit that I thought ___ was a boring and undesirable place to be, which was awkward.”
  • “The campus has suffered from two outbreaks of dengue fever.”
  • “On day 2, Friday, the dean made it clear (via email) that salary was non-negotiable. But when I asked (again via email because she wanted an answer immediately but was tied up in meetings and could not speak on the phone) about other considerations to offset what would have been a 10% paycut from my present salary, the dean rescinded the offer.”
  • “The first sign of real trouble was when faculty members began reading magazines during my job talk.”
  • “Entire department seemed pleasantly nutso, in a Stockholm Syndrome sort of way.”

And there is so much more.

Those looking ahead to next year, or to those senior jobs that are just being authorized now, may wish to read “Another Year, Another Job Market: When Not Perfecting Your Tan This Summer, How Can You Prepare?” (June 21 2009); “Jumping the Tracks: Applying for a Job When You Already Have One” (September 5 2008); and “Tenured Folk: Is It Safe to Go Back on the Job Market?” (July 29 2011).

I’ve stopped writing job market posts in part because I am not sure I have anything new to add.  However, if there is something you want to know, feel free to write tenuredDOTRadicalATgmailDOTcom, and put “Ask the Radical” in the subject line. And of course, your comments are always welcome.

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  • historiann

    “Suffice to say [it's] the Blair Witch [Project] of academic jobs,” a comment about Zenith’s History department from the job wiki.

    Whew!  And yowza.  That’s some strong stuff, TR.  (I might beg to differ, given my own personal experiences, but everyone’s got a sob story, don’t they?)

    • tenured_radical

      It was actually stunning, even to me, who knows a lot about Zenith and has suffered much:  I actually thought searches were among my department’s finer moments. Also interesting was the mention of people being hounded out of the history department — since my appointment was, in fact, moved out of the department,but I haven’t met a history job candidate in some time, I’m wondering who is telling *that* story.

  • Guest

    Wow, you are truly devoted! I commend you for showing the tenacity and patience to deal with academic hiring for so many years of commentary. The truth is, it’s a horrendous process and often where the academy shows its corruption and unprofessionalism most flagrantly.

    I teach at a CSU, where our tradition (English dept) is to use our money to fly a contingent to the MLA and then have a department party on Saturday night, to which all the applicants are invited to attend and meet each other. There are currently different schools of thought about this; some people feel this is too uncomfortable to be fair (it is a bit like Academic Elimidate). Others think it shows whether a job candidate can deal with messy, awkward, and uncomfortable situations without getting prissy or weird. 

    I have never done a Skype interview either as an applicant or interviewer. I have been on three search committees so far. Some of my colleagues think Skype is good; others have worries about fairness and also equal access to technology for applicants. Mostly we haven’t found a way to get Skype to pass the smell test at the Equity and Diversity office, so it’s not a go yet. But I’ll take your feedback to heart.

    In honor of the holiday season here’s my yearly post on the English job fair:

    http://criticalnewsscan.blogspot.com/2011/11/my-annual-academic-job-market-horror.html

    Vive la difference!

    • physioprof

      Dude, what kind of self-absorbed hypocritical shittebagge do you have to be to comment on someone else’s blogge, while not allowing comments at all on your own blogge?

  • physioprof

    job season (for what it is worth) is about to go into high gear

    Fucken hellz bellz. I am on two different motherfucken search committees, one of which has already decided to invite ten motherfucken candidates! Something tellz me my plan to try to lose some motherfucken weight over the next three months ain’t gonna go far.

    • tenured_radical

      Don’t even try, dude.  One bottle of Jameson’s, messengered over, tomorrow.

      • physioprof

        HAHAHAH! Yeah!

  • http://twitter.com/ProfessorIsIn Karen Kelsky

    Kudos on years of selfless service!

    The main question I’m getting asked this year is how to deal with the early (ie, December) offer.  I don’t know what to say.   People know it’s madness to turn down a sure thing.  And at the same time, oftentimes the jobs they want most won’t even invite people out until February.  If there’s one thing I’d love to hear you weigh in on, it would be that.

    • physioprof

      It’s always the less desirable positions that–if they’re smart–make their offers early. Then they try to frighten the offeree into taking the offer before she receives any other more desirable offers by claiming they are going to rescind the offer. This is all just a strategy to try to fill less desirable positions with the best possible candidates.

      The fact of the matter, however, is that if you receive a December offer, the offerer has decided that you are most likely good enough to receive more offers later, and this is their “hail mary” pass. So even if they say, “deadline to accept is January 5″, you can still almost certainly get them to extend the offer a few more times. This is because their best-case scenario is that you eventually do take the offer, and their worst-case scenario is that they make an offer to one of the people further down their list who isn’t going to get any other offers anyway, and will likely take the offer whenever it is made.

      • tenured_radical

        One of the arguments that the AHA would make about its system of convention interviews would be that it offers all the candidate real choices by making the process, and the timelines,  more uniform.  On the other hand, even when they adhere to interviews at AHA, schools move on very different schedules, and candidates are often in the position of making a choice without exactly knowing what the range of choices will be. Ultimately candidates who are only looking for academic jobs have very limited choices and have few opportunities to activate what they might want:  I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the early searches only make that more obvious. 

        One disadvantage of the traditional market, from my point of view, is that public unis are often dependent on a public budget that is decided early in the year, whereas the job market is geared to a budget year that begins July 1.  Hence, publics not infrequently advertise jobs they cannot ultimately fund, but they need to assemble a candidate pool in a conventional way to have any hope of getting a crack at the people they want should they be allowed to hire. The economic crash a couple of years ago made that true for a lot of privates too:  what might be better is if the spring market — usually for senior jobs, visitors and post-docs — was also seen as a viable market for beginning tenure stream jobs as well.

        • historiann

          Great point that the early searches just make more visible the reality that many candidates are frequently pressured to make decisions without knowing all of their options.

          As for Karen’s original question:  I would say that people whose priority it is to be employed will take a job offer in hand rather than wait for future and entirely theoretical job offers.  If the job you’re offered is roughly comparable to the other jobs you’re interviewing for, and you think you can live there for a few years at least without wanting to kill yourself, take the job.  But be sure to do your due dilligence:  ask around about the hiring department.  Are their junior faculty successfully publishing and winning tenure?  Or are they being fired and/or fleeing in droves?  As Comrade PhysioProf suggests, there may be a good reason why they want to jump the line and sew up their search before everyone else. 

    • Barbara Piper

      My department made an offer to our top candidate several years ago for a tenure track position, and he accepted. A month later he wrote back and withdrew his acceptance, citing serious family issues that made it impossible to leave the position he already had. We opted not to offer the position to anyone else on our short list, and re-opened the search a year later, with a happy outcome. There was not much that we could do about the first guy’s decision to turn us down after accepting. We were not even inclined to take any action, since we believed that his acceptance was sincere, and was withdrawn in response to issues beyond his control.

      But it also reminded us that there’s not much a university can do if a job candidate is simply unethical enough to accept a position knowing that s/he will turn it down in a few months if a better one comes along. I don’t recommend this to my own students when they are on the market, but I’d have to acknowledge that it would be hard to prevent or stop. And if a department thinks that it can get the jump on the process by making offers months before other universities do, that department runs the risk of locking itself into a candidate who just might stick it to them a few months later.

  • susanda

    Well, reading the annals of horrible experiences is a great “what not to do” for search chairs (which I am).   Simple politeness is really a good idea!

  • hgrad

    TR: Thank you for this compilation of links! I got the call today from a school lining up AHA interviews and frantically ran to my computer to pull up your post about what questions to ask the search chair during such a phone call. A life saver!

    • tenured_radical

      Rock on!  Good luck with it.

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