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What Happens if We Just Ask Questions?

February 23, 2012, 6:48 am

Someone asked me recently what was the one thing that’s changed the most about my teaching over the last 10 years. My response was that I’m a lot more likely now than I was in 2002 to organize my classes around asking and answering questions rather than covering material. Here’s one reason why.

The weekly Mathematica labs that we have in my Calculus 3 class are set up so that some background material (usually a combination of math concepts and new Mathematica commands) is presented in the lab handout followed by some situations centered around questions, the answers to which are likely to involve Calculus 3 and Mathematica. I said likely, not inevitably. There is no rule that says students must use Calculus 3 to answer the question. The only rules are: (1) the entire solution has to be done in a Mathematica notebook, and (2) the solutions have to be clear, convincing, and mathematically correct.

What’s been good about this approach is that promotes an ownership mindset of the mathematics in the class. Students get very creative and engaged when they have some say in the proceedings and it’s not just parroting what they learned in class. The lab problems are created so that they apply what we’ve learned in class, but often students will find some creative workaround.

For example, we recently finished a chapter on vector functions, and the lab for the week was on motion in space. In the pre-lab reading I defined velocity, speed, and acceleration when position is given as a vector function. The first problem on the lab included this question: Suppose a particle is moving through space with trajectory given by \(\mathbf{r}(t) = t^2 \mathbf{i} + (3 \sin t – t \cos t) \mathbf{j} + (\cos t + 4t \sin t) \mathbf{k}\). At what time is its speed at a maximum? This is a pretty basic question (almost to the point of being pseudo-contextual) and there is basically only one right answer. But that answer could be obtained from several different approaches .

Several lab groups defined r[t] in Mathematica and then defined speed as a scalar function, and then they plotted it (click the image to enlarge):

You can see the global maximum around t = 9.5. But then they had to come to grips with the “clear, convincing, and correct” rule. If you just say that the time is around 9.5, which it obviously is, then is that convincing? How could you make this more convincing, or irrefutably convincing? And convincing to whom? These are the right questions to ask about graphs that purport to solve a problem.

Some groups took a numerical approach, using Mathematica’s Table command — which we did not discuss in class, so this had to have been discovered on their own somehow — and either defined speed as a scalar function as above and made a table for it, or in one group’s case, made a table for the average rate of change in position from \(t\) to \(t + h\) and let \(h \to 0\). All the numerical groups made a graph of speed first to get a visual read on the general vicinity of the maximum before using the table to home in on the precise value.

And at least three groups went dumpster-diving through the Help system to look for Mathematica functions that might be useful, eventually stumbling across the FindMaximum command. Lest anyone thinks this is bypassing the mathematics to let the computer do the work, realize that the syntax for this function is not trivial. If you just use FindMaximum naively, it returns the local maximum for speed near t = 1.1. Students had to learn to eyeball the graph and feed it a starting value (probably because the function uses Newton’s Method or something similar). So even though Mathematica “did all the work”, students still had to think about whether the answer FindMaximum gave them made sense and then adjust their setup accordingly.

What struck me most about the work on this lab was that nobody — nobody! — did what the textbook wanted them to do, which was to take the derivative of speed, set it equal to 0, and then solved for t. That’s shocking! This is the canonical optimization method from Calculus 1, well within Mathematica’s skill set, and all students had to do in the lab is set up that calculation and hit Enter. Not only did nobody take this approach, only one group even considered it. When I asked the class about this later, they all remembered this technique when asked to recall it, but when given a problem in which it could be useful, it did not spring to mind. What does this say about our attempts to drill such algorithms into students?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gene-Preuss/1641806486 Gene Preuss

    I understood the first three paragraphs….then it was all downhill… :)

  • johnbarnes

    Actually, Robert, I think it says you stopped the story (that is, what you’re reporting to us) in the middle, and now I want to know how it comes out. 

    You very nicely demonstrated that they all got “creative” in terms of avoiding doing actual calculus (I’d classify what they were doing as some mixture of analytic geometry and, as you put it, software dumpster diving).  At that point probably  either a) you had a terrific conversation about the efficiency and effectiveness of the calculus and why it’s the basic tool for this, or b)  they found a way to avoid that conversation.  Students are good at avoiding difficulty (as they perceive it), and I’ll freely admit that in my own work I like brute-force methods like the graph and the table too.  But the job is to see that the path to the answer via the derivative may be harder, but in a real sense it  is deeper and more true, and this procedure led you to the door of that conversation.  So were you able to have it?

    And yes, I agree, drilling it into them as “Because it’s the right way” is unlikely to produce people who can find a) a way, b) several ways, and c) the best way — all three being important.

    • http://chronicle.com/blognetwork/castingoutnines Robert Talbert

      Thanks for the comment.

      To answer your question, the conversation about the algebraic method for maximizing the speed came up in several groups. All of them had a sort of “aha” moment when I pointed it out, and a few went back and tried it out — but it’s interesting that none of them felt strongly enough about this method to go back and change their work on their lab, which they could easily have done. They came up with their approach and they were quite invested in it. So while you and I may think that an algebraic approach using the derivative is “more true”, the students do not agree, and I cannot find any kind of absolute standard that says estimating a rate of change by calculating the limit as (t to 0) of a sequence of average rates of change is any less deep, or any less Calculus, than using the Power Rule and a bunch of algebra. Are not both of these things methods for calculating the derivative? 

      I’d also point out that every student in the room was doing calculus — even if they weren’t using algebraic rules to take a derivative. At minimum, students had to realize that speed was the norm of the rate of change in position. How many students have we seen in calculus classes who get A’s because they can perform algebraic manipulations, and yet do not comprehend this basic concept? 

      I feel like learning has been much more successful for my students if they can set up the problem in terms of calculus and then find some effective way — irrespective of whether it’s graphical, algebraic, or numerical — to solve it, than if they can perform a calculation successfully and “efficiently” but had to be told what to do. If students can do the former, I am not going to be picky about whether they are using algebra or a graph or a table. They are all using calculus and that’s what matters. 

      • Socratease2

        Yes, I think we can all appreciate this socratic approach to mathematics and feel good the students actually applied their math skills creatively, all very fine. But why in God’s name did not one person use the “canonical optimization method” apparently well understood by all and the most efficient way of obtaining answer. Were they told not to do that?

        • http://chronicle.com/blognetwork/castingoutnines Robert Talbert

          I am absolutely sure that someone told them how to use algebraic derivative calculations to maximize functions — in their Calculus 1 classes. In fact the students were probably relentlessly drilled on this method for days on end. So, indeed, why didn’t this method spring to mind for them? I suspect it has something to do with the relative effectiveness of telling people what to do rather than letting them answer questions using the calculus concepts that make sense to them. One way may be more “efficient” than others, but who cares if it is, if it doesn’t stick in one’s mind and doesn’t make sense internally? 

          This experience, if anything, makes me a lot LESS likely to just tell the students what method to use in the future. That seems to get them through the assignment but the half-life on that kind of learning (if that’s what it is) seems pretty brutal. 

      • johnbarnes

        That is indeed an interesting ending to the story, and you’re right, the ability to see the calculus in the problem is likely to stick with them and be more useful than any one method of solution.  Maybe the deeper mystery is why, once they see the problem in the language of calculus, they don’t see that there are many ways to solve it, and look for the one that will be fast and guaranteed accurate.  You’re right, if they had Calculus I, they know that method — but it’s not the tool they reach for.

        This is certainly a productive case study;there’s much more to be teased out of it in future experiences.

  • johnsoad

    Robert, I agree completely. Young children are master learners, and they are always asking questions; if nothing else fits, they will always ask, “But why?” 
    I have taught a range of biology courses over the years, and the depth of learning I see is always greater when I focus on using questions to drive the course. Constructivist learning theory, and formative assessment both have espoused this approach, and now cognitive neuroscience is showing why it works. We’ve become so convinced of the power of questions and problem-solving that we are building a new textbook model around it. I’d ask a question of the larger community: when did we decide that telling students what to know was more important than getting them to ask questions?

  • Socratease2

    I agree with the comments below, I don’t know if I should slap your students for being so dense or praise them for trying to find a Rube Goldberg solution to get to the same place (though using far more time).  Have the jurors reached a verdict? Yes, your honor, slap them all down the line.

    • http://chronicle.com/blognetwork/castingoutnines Robert Talbert

      I stand by my students’ work. They were given a question to answer, and they did it correctly, in a mathematically sound way, and can explain exactly why their solutions work the way they do. They gave strong evidence through their work that they understand the fundamental concepts they were studying. They did their work in such a way that they will remember it and be able to apply it to a new problem further down the line. I am proud of them and what they are accomplishing. 

  • waratah104

    I thought this was brilliant.

  • elie_s_dad

    Dear Robert,

    Thank you for your interesting and relevant columns.  I really agree with you philosophy on learning math.

    I am in a professional (i.e. terminal) masters degree in a mathematics.  I don’t have any experience other than my own.

    Just my 2 cents, but I came to math after doing something unrelated for undergrad.  Although I love your ideas, I wouldn’t discount the benefit of also doing work analytically and with pencil and paper.

    One example is a class we have on stochastic processes, where we were asked show the Markov property.  A simple shortcut would be to observe the vector process obeys a system of SDEs and cite a relevant theorem.  However, our Prof forbid us from using this and asked us to prove the Markov property by appealing to the definition of the Markov property.  I think the restriction was sensible since the idea of was to understand the Markov property for vector processes (and it was good to use this particular example b/c it appears in many applications).

    In my experience, pencil and paper Analytical exercises are very challenging and have a lot of downstream benefits for the student.  Using software has a lot of downstream benefits for the student too of course, but students in my generation (at least myself and other American students I know) do not find this to be that challenging or hard to learn on their own (in fact I did similar things professionally before going back to grad school without any education in mathematics).

    I applaud your columns and ideas.  Just wanted to share my experience.

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